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sources say the affair was with his biographer paula broadwell. >>> immigration reform appears to be in the works. charles schumer and lindsey graham say their plan involves a tough love path to citizenship. that plan went nowhere when they teamed up. there may be fresh motivation after election losses. >>> the death toll from sandy climbed to at least 113 with two more deaths reported in new york. two weeks after it crashed through residents in new york and new jersey are still cle clearing debris from their homes. the path rail system into manhattan will resume 5:00 a.m. >>> serious divergent rebel groups are formally united after the pressure from u.s. and arab nations. opposition leaders met in qatar and agreed to call their new group the national collisialiti forces of the syrian revolution. it's considered a final step no order to oust bashar. his group is fighting terrorists bent on destabilizing syria. >>> israel fired warning shots telling syria keep that civil war inside your own country. a spokesman said a shell hit a post today and they are deeply concerned about the pote
sources say the affair was with his biographer paula broadwell. >>> immigration reform appears to be in the works. charles schumer and lindsey graham say their plan involves a tough love path to citizenship. that plan went nowhere when they teamed up. there may be fresh motivation after election losses. >>> the death toll from sandy climbed to at least 113 with two more deaths reported in new york. two weeks after it crashed through residents in new york and new jersey are...
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and then sources said that the affair was with his biographer paula broadwell. more on that in a few moments. >>> bipartisan agreement appears to be in the work. charles schumer and lindsey graham says that their path including a tough love to citizenship. they teamed up in 2010, and that plan went nowhere, but the republicans may have fresh motivation after election losses last week. >>> the death toll from superstorm sandy has climbed to 113 with two more deaths reported in new york. two weeks after the storm crashed through the northeast, residents in new york and new jersey are clearing debris from their homes and battling the cold. commuting could -- combatting the cold could get easier for new jersey residents as the train will reopen tuesday. >>> and there is new pressure from u.s. and arab nations to meet. they met in qatar and agreed to call the new group the international coalition of the syrian revolution, and it is a vital push to oust the president al assad. >>> today, in syria, rebel groups said to keep that civil war inside of your own country. a
and then sources said that the affair was with his biographer paula broadwell. more on that in a few moments. >>> bipartisan agreement appears to be in the work. charles schumer and lindsey graham says that their path including a tough love to citizenship. they teamed up in 2010, and that plan went nowhere, but the republicans may have fresh motivation after election losses last week. >>> the death toll from superstorm sandy has climbed to 113 with two more deaths reported in...
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then over time, they're able to identify it's paula broadwell. then they figure out who paula broadwell is and at that point, the case, the aperture of the case starts to open because they say well, what's this e-mail account, what's this other e-mail account that's talking to it, let's subpoena the rest of the e-mails and start going through them, and piece it together. some of the conversations are cryptic. >> it seems that the crucial twist in the tale which has emerged tonight is that this original fbi agent who was already friendly with miss kelley, he then gets taken off the case for inappropriate behavior for supposedly sending shirtless pictures of himself to her, to the woman who has come to him to investigate, and because of that, he then feels disaffected and goes to a congressman, at which point the whole balloon goes up, right? >> okay. so he was never on the case. he doesn't work on the cybersquad. it's not his violation to investigate. the reason he brought her to those agents was that's the squad that does this work that's beyond
then over time, they're able to identify it's paula broadwell. then they figure out who paula broadwell is and at that point, the case, the aperture of the case starts to open because they say well, what's this e-mail account, what's this other e-mail account that's talking to it, let's subpoena the rest of the e-mails and start going through them, and piece it together. some of the conversations are cryptic. >> it seems that the crucial twist in the tale which has emerged tonight is that...
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paula broadwell competed in an iron man triathlon. a longtime friend says when petraeus looked back at the affair that cost him his career, he reflected that paula broadwell's relationship with him had some element of possessiveness. but that's not part of what initially attracted the two. a longtime friend of david petraeus says years in the war zone left him isolated. petraeus didn't have anyone on his level he could talk to candidly. so when paula broadwell came along, quote, he enjoyed her company. she was an attractive gal and they had things in common. another officer who knows both echoes that thought. >> she's a very bright -- she worked for me, as you know, she's an incredibly talented, very bright, creative, immensely fit and very attractive young lady. >> reporter: some journalists criticized broadwell on petraeus' biography, calling it a soft and glowing portrait of the general. broadwell defended herself on cnn. >> this project started as my december dissertation three years ago. when he was selected by the president to r
paula broadwell competed in an iron man triathlon. a longtime friend says when petraeus looked back at the affair that cost him his career, he reflected that paula broadwell's relationship with him had some element of possessiveness. but that's not part of what initially attracted the two. a longtime friend of david petraeus says years in the war zone left him isolated. petraeus didn't have anyone on his level he could talk to candidly. so when paula broadwell came along, quote, he enjoyed her...
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the woman was later identified as his biographer, paula broadwell. the fbi investigated the affair after broadwell reportedly sent harassing e-mails to a tampa socialite, jill kelly. now, general allen is under investigation for his contacts with kelly. both he and kelly deny they ever had an affair. for more on all of this, that's really a hard web to even follow, let's bring in our intelligence correspondent, suzanne kelly. suzanne, the fbi searched paula broad broadwell's home. what do you know about that? >> agents spent about five hours conducting a search and took documents and computers from her house. now, we're told by a u.s. official that agents are looking further into what classified materials she has, but the official described this search as sort of tying up loose ends. an earlier search of broadwell's computer did turn up classified material. and according to that same official, broadwell and petraeus both told investigators that the material did not come from him. but you can bet that those agents are now trying to track down the sour
the woman was later identified as his biographer, paula broadwell. the fbi investigated the affair after broadwell reportedly sent harassing e-mails to a tampa socialite, jill kelly. now, general allen is under investigation for his contacts with kelly. both he and kelly deny they ever had an affair. for more on all of this, that's really a hard web to even follow, let's bring in our intelligence correspondent, suzanne kelly. suzanne, the fbi searched paula broad broadwell's home. what do you...
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. >> we don't know who the third woman is involved in the email triangle between paula broadwell and general petraeus but it's not his wife, holly. and the f.b.i. was not looking for lusty emails when they started the investigation. they were looking for evidence of harassment. after they traced the harassing messages to paula broadwell's computer they discovered salacious notes between the four star general and his buyographer. >> the f.b.i. came across emails on his military email account in which he referred to doing something under the desk and there was a misinterpretation that meant corruption, and it actually meant sex. >> an f.b.i. whistleblower approached washington congressman dave reicher who passed it off to eric cantor. it then when to robert mull letter. they wanted to make sure the director was aware of the affair and possible national security breach but the chairwomen of the senate intelligence committee, diane feinstein, had no advance notice there was an investigation into the director of the c.i.a. and she plans to investigate why her committee was out of the loop
. >> we don't know who the third woman is involved in the email triangle between paula broadwell and general petraeus but it's not his wife, holly. and the f.b.i. was not looking for lusty emails when they started the investigation. they were looking for evidence of harassment. after they traced the harassing messages to paula broadwell's computer they discovered salacious notes between the four star general and his buyographer. >> the f.b.i. came across emails on his military email...
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suzanne, what more can you tell us about the probe into the relationship with paula broadwell? do we know how long this has been going on? >> we don't know how long it was going on, but just the -- so they're the ones that would look into accusations of inappropriate access to classified information. individuals that hold clearances, are they doing what they need to be doing to make sure that information stays safe? is there any opportunity whatsoever that that information could be exploited by either a spy or anyone else who shouldn't have access to that information. so the fact that they were the ones looking into this, tells you that, you know, they were concerned about some of the e-mail things. let's back up for a moment. this was a tip that they were given. that there was this relationship going on between the two. what they have dug into were things like e-mails, texts, things like that. and they know the two, if it turns out to be paula, and we can't confirm it is, and a tip was given using her name. they would look at communications between the two, and especially sinc
suzanne, what more can you tell us about the probe into the relationship with paula broadwell? do we know how long this has been going on? >> we don't know how long it was going on, but just the -- so they're the ones that would look into accusations of inappropriate access to classified information. individuals that hold clearances, are they doing what they need to be doing to make sure that information stays safe? is there any opportunity whatsoever that that information could be...
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official that it was a complaint from paula broadwell was sending harassing e-mails to another woman close to the cia director that prompted the fbi to investigate. also we know that the investigation led to the discovery of e-mails between broadwell and petraeus that indicated the affair. now, that second woman hasn't been identified, and the official we spoke with didn't know the nature of that woman's relationship with the former director. but more details are. going out about the timeline of events and when u.s. officials were notified of the circumstances of this investigation. a senior u.s. intelligence official tells the cnn that the fbi informed the director of national intelligence james clapper about the investigation on tuesday night, election night, just as some polls were beginning to close and director clapper as a friending colleague, fellow officer, and admirer, urged petraeus to step down from his position. we know as well from that intelligence source that director clapper informed the white house on wednesday and then, of course, the president and general petraeus
official that it was a complaint from paula broadwell was sending harassing e-mails to another woman close to the cia director that prompted the fbi to investigate. also we know that the investigation led to the discovery of e-mails between broadwell and petraeus that indicated the affair. now, that second woman hasn't been identified, and the official we spoke with didn't know the nature of that woman's relationship with the former director. but more details are. going out about the timeline...
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turns out it was by paula broadwell, he was having an affair with her. was it frightening we would never have found out about it if it weren't for jill kelley? >> well, yes, if that were it. but i think we get carried away with our own story. when you get down to it, what do we really have here? we have a stalking case, not an espionage case. we have an affair with a cia director, not with a russian agent, but with a military intelligence officer, who is a major in the reserves and has top secret clearances. so it's not like it's the spy case of the century. so what we have here, really, and i don't want to oversimplify it, but it's an overblown personnel issue, which is the boss shouldn't probably be having this relationship, and there's a leadership issue here. so that is sent over to the director of national intelligence to say, well, he's down your chain of command, what do you want to do with this. >> tell me what you know -- >> when we say hacked into his computer, it turns out it wasn't hacked into. those e-mails had come from him, and she had cut
turns out it was by paula broadwell, he was having an affair with her. was it frightening we would never have found out about it if it weren't for jill kelley? >> well, yes, if that were it. but i think we get carried away with our own story. when you get down to it, what do we really have here? we have a stalking case, not an espionage case. we have an affair with a cia director, not with a russian agent, but with a military intelligence officer, who is a major in the reserves and has...
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so who is paula broadwell? she's an honors graduate of west point, retired army reserve major who lived, worked in or traveled to over 60 countries in 15 years of military service. paula broadwell is an author who has written about counter insurgency, transformational leadership and women in defense. she joined me as a guest earlier this year to discuss afghan military attacks on nato soldiers. i asked her if all nato troops had to be concerned with having targets on their backs. >> well i think that's taking it a little bit too far. there isn't a bull's eye on the back of every one of our servicemen and women over there. i think a lot of this dialogue is overlooking the very strong relationships many units have with their partner afghan units and in the ministries where this happened. some of the soldiers and they're typically called afghan hands have great rapport and respect with afghans. we can't go too far and say there's a target on everyone's back. >> reporter: paula broadwell is a gifted athlete, ran tr
so who is paula broadwell? she's an honors graduate of west point, retired army reserve major who lived, worked in or traveled to over 60 countries in 15 years of military service. paula broadwell is an author who has written about counter insurgency, transformational leadership and women in defense. she joined me as a guest earlier this year to discuss afghan military attacks on nato soldiers. i asked her if all nato troops had to be concerned with having targets on their backs. >> well...
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i think you can't go too far. >> paula broadwell is a gifted athlete who ran track at west point and graduated at the top of her class in physical fitness. on one of her profile pages she lists triathlon, kick boxes, and weightlifting. she's the co-author of a by og ra fi of david montrepetraeus. earlier this year cnn's brooke baldwin asked her how she was able to get so close to the general. >> this project started as my dissertation about three years ago. i was working with general petraeus doing interviews e-mail and occasionally running with him and interviewing. when he was selected to replace general mcchrystal in the summer of 2010 i decided the time was right to turn it into a book. so i got a visa and went to afghanistan. i actually went on a few trips and embedded both with the troopers in the field but also at headquarters and at some point i think he realized i was taking this very seriously. i was sharing hardship with the troops and risk and decided to open up a little bit more access. but we had a relationship before i went there as far as this dissertation was concern
i think you can't go too far. >> paula broadwell is a gifted athlete who ran track at west point and graduated at the top of her class in physical fitness. on one of her profile pages she lists triathlon, kick boxes, and weightlifting. she's the co-author of a by og ra fi of david montrepetraeus. earlier this year cnn's brooke baldwin asked her how she was able to get so close to the general. >> this project started as my dissertation about three years ago. i was working with...
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so there was some deliberation there in the white house. >> colonel, i know you met paula broadwell for the first time i believe in the summer of 2009, correct me if i'm wrong. >> that's correct. >> what were your thoughts about her? what were your thoughts about it when general petraeus came to you and said i have chosen her to write my biography? >> well, she struck me as a supremely confident, fairly attractive, physically fit woman with a huge agenda. she was, you know, had a fairly ambitious project which was at that time a ph.d. dissertation describing general petraeus' leadership and his impact on the military. she asked me to help with that. i offered to do an interview. but you know, she used that as entree into general petraeus' inner circle and once she decided that she was sitting on a gold mine of information and that she would contract with an agent and sell this story to the highest bidder and turn it into a book, at that point, she crossed over the line from being a mentoree of general petraeus and being a ph.d. candidate to being a journalist, and i thought it very stra
so there was some deliberation there in the white house. >> colonel, i know you met paula broadwell for the first time i believe in the summer of 2009, correct me if i'm wrong. >> that's correct. >> what were your thoughts about her? what were your thoughts about it when general petraeus came to you and said i have chosen her to write my biography? >> well, she struck me as a supremely confident, fairly attractive, physically fit woman with a huge agenda. she was, you...
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paula broadwell is not the type. she isn't. >> reporter: some of her colleagues who insist she is someone to be admired also say she has reversed the cause of young women in the military who fought hard to be taken seriously. >> most of my time was spent with general petraeus on his battlefield circulation. >> reporter: those who know her say she was on facebook all the time. on friday morning her 40th birthday she posted a message about mortality and exercise. friends say a likely clue she had no idea hours later her entire profile would be wiped. it's not clear when they her husband, scott broadwell, a radiologist and surfer learned about the affair, but this was etched on the driveway outside their home. broadwell was supposed to celebrate her 40th birthday at a dinner in washington. her husband called and canceled the event late friday. dan? >> reena, thank you. how does this scandal likely to play for a newly re-elected president who just has weeks now to steer the country away from the so-called fiscal cliff? g
paula broadwell is not the type. she isn't. >> reporter: some of her colleagues who insist she is someone to be admired also say she has reversed the cause of young women in the military who fought hard to be taken seriously. >> most of my time was spent with general petraeus on his battlefield circulation. >> reporter: those who know her say she was on facebook all the time. on friday morning her 40th birthday she posted a message about mortality and exercise. friends say a...
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general patreaus resigned after admitting to having an extra marital affair with paula broadwell. a friend jill kelley asked to investigate harassing e-mails see whas receiving from paula broadwell. the "wall street journal" saying the fbi agent who initiated the investigation at kelli's request is under scrutiny. the agent has not been identified but allegedly sent kelley shirtless photos of himself. started with a complaint about harassing e-mails. he here's what we know about the woman who made that complaint, jill kelley, married to a cancer surgery, she has three daughters, lived in tampa, well-known among washington social circles. they have been friends with general patreaus and his family for five years. friends describe kelley as an innocent victim about e-mails accuse kelley of flirting with patreaus. how does this impact the careers of the two generals but also implications as well in defense secretary leon panetta has asked that general john allen's nomination to be supreme commander put on hold. for patreaus, panetta asked whether any kags that his affair started when
general patreaus resigned after admitting to having an extra marital affair with paula broadwell. a friend jill kelley asked to investigate harassing e-mails see whas receiving from paula broadwell. the "wall street journal" saying the fbi agent who initiated the investigation at kelli's request is under scrutiny. the agent has not been identified but allegedly sent kelley shirtless photos of himself. started with a complaint about harassing e-mails. he here's what we know about the...
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government officials say after admitting to an extramarital affair with his biographer paula broadwell. multiple sources have revealed the identity of a woman who received harassing e-mails from broadwell and whose complaints to the fbi led to the investigation which uncovered the affair. and there's a growing chorus of questions from lawmakers about exactly when the affair came to light, who in washington was told about it, and when they were told. nbc's kristen walker has the latest on the controversy. >> reporter: according to a senior federal official and close friend of david petraeus, 37-year-old jill kelly complained to fbi agents about being harassed by paula broadwell, david petraeus's biographer. a senior u.s. military official says jill kelly is involved in wounded warrior fundraisering in tampa, is married, she and her husband are close family official friends. officials say petraeus's down fall began when kelly complained to the fbi that she was receiving intimidating e-mails from broadwell. those e-mails led to the discovery of others between general petraeus and broadwel
government officials say after admitting to an extramarital affair with his biographer paula broadwell. multiple sources have revealed the identity of a woman who received harassing e-mails from broadwell and whose complaints to the fbi led to the investigation which uncovered the affair. and there's a growing chorus of questions from lawmakers about exactly when the affair came to light, who in washington was told about it, and when they were told. nbc's kristen walker has the latest on the...
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that's when agents discovered the affair between general petraeus and paula broadwell. four star general david petraeus was supposed to testify before congress thursday on the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. he originally briefed lawmakers early on saying it was a spontaneous uprising to an anti- islam film. >> i don't see how in the world you can find out what happened in benghazi before, during and after the attack if general petraeus doesn't testify. >> reporter: there are also questions surrounding information petraeus' mistress paula broadwell may have known about the attack. last month at the university of denver she spoke about the benghazi attack. some say what she said appeared to go beyond what was in the public record at the time. >> the cia annex had actually taken a couple libyan militia members prisoner and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try and get knees prisoners back. >> reporter: was -- these prisoners back. >> reporter: was prod broadwell privy to the information because the cia had said nothing about thi
that's when agents discovered the affair between general petraeus and paula broadwell. four star general david petraeus was supposed to testify before congress thursday on the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. he originally briefed lawmakers early on saying it was a spontaneous uprising to an anti- islam film. >> i don't see how in the world you can find out what happened in benghazi before, during and after the attack if general petraeus doesn't testify. >> reporter:...
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any conversation or contact with paula broadwell in the last few days? >> last few days, i'm not aware of any. she, up until everything that came out with the news, i'm sure she was still working on her dissertation. there was some potential contact back and forth over a little bit of time about that. you have to imagine somebody who is doing their dissertation is not going to just give up that entire body of work and research very easily. >> what about jill kelley? how do you describe david petraeus' relationship with her? >> i think very simply as close personal friends of not only david petraeus but of his wife, holly, as well. they met the kelleys not too long after they arrived at tampa, mcdill air force base, home of u.s. central command, where he became the commander october 31st, 2008. my understanding is that the kelleys hosted a dinner not too long after they arrived and took command to start introducing him to the community, those that might be more notable, and she was very active in the military support, fund-raisers for different causes, wo
any conversation or contact with paula broadwell in the last few days? >> last few days, i'm not aware of any. she, up until everything that came out with the news, i'm sure she was still working on her dissertation. there was some potential contact back and forth over a little bit of time about that. you have to imagine somebody who is doing their dissertation is not going to just give up that entire body of work and research very easily. >> what about jill kelley? how do you...
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. >> there had been rumors of an affair between him and paula broadwell for some time. just didn't seem the type. >> her friends know her not just for her good work but her good work. >> somebody as busy as she is takes the time to help somebody like me, there's not much time left for indiscretions. >> david, an active duty wounded warrior and a double amputee. last week broad we were was scheduled to skydive for their birthday but donated her jump to david. >> i have some serious questions about who is connecting the dots and how. >> petraeus reportedly started the affair after leaving the army in 2011 was the one to end it. >> he's trying to put his life back together right now and that's what he needs to focus on. >> as for paula broadwell, a married mother of two, this message was drawn in chalk on her driveway. >> ama: california senator dianne feinstein, the head of the senate intelligence committee, says she was unaware of the news about the scandal involving petraeus until he announced his resignation it today she said she learned about the matter from the media
. >> there had been rumors of an affair between him and paula broadwell for some time. just didn't seem the type. >> her friends know her not just for her good work but her good work. >> somebody as busy as she is takes the time to help somebody like me, there's not much time left for indiscretions. >> david, an active duty wounded warrior and a double amputee. last week broad we were was scheduled to skydive for their birthday but donated her jump to david. >> i...
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officials that paula broadwell's security clearance has been suspended. she is a serving reservist, if you will, with the u.s. army, a military intelligence analyst. as such, she would at least have a secret level security clearance. we are now told that security clearance suspended pending the outcome of several investigations. we went to the army to ask them for an official response. they will not say anything except the following. and let me read it to you. "appropriate actions with regard to this officer's clearance and access have been taken." the statement goes onto say "the army has been cooperating with federal law enforcement authorities in this matter. and those actions are ongoing." wolf, you will recall a couple of days ago the fbi went to broadwell's home. we all saw the video of fbi agents taking away boxes of material, computers. the discussion centering around what kind of classified information she might have had in her home. when someone with a security clearance has classified information in their home, there are two critical questions
officials that paula broadwell's security clearance has been suspended. she is a serving reservist, if you will, with the u.s. army, a military intelligence analyst. as such, she would at least have a secret level security clearance. we are now told that security clearance suspended pending the outcome of several investigations. we went to the army to ask them for an official response. they will not say anything except the following. and let me read it to you. "appropriate actions with...
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and it turned out to be from paula broadwell. the source says the e-mail was jealous in tone but did not know more about the content of it or if there was more than one e-mail. the source said kelly went to the fbi in tampa where she lives and despite living in tampa, capitol hill has been known to be on the washington social circuit. according to this government source who had actually met her at a washington party, ted. >> now, is there any suggestion that the relationship between david petraeus and jill kelly, like the relationship between petraeus and broadwell, was at all sexual in nature? >> there is no evidence that surfaced about that so far. we do know that general petraeus has been talking with friends, a lot of friends over the weekend, and even as recently as today who offered support to him and he's been forth coming with them about the details of the relationship with paula broadwell, it began two months after he took over as director of the cia, ended about four months ago and the two were seen together in washingt
and it turned out to be from paula broadwell. the source says the e-mail was jealous in tone but did not know more about the content of it or if there was more than one e-mail. the source said kelly went to the fbi in tampa where she lives and despite living in tampa, capitol hill has been known to be on the washington social circuit. according to this government source who had actually met her at a washington party, ted. >> now, is there any suggestion that the relationship between david...
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citing an extramarital affair with his one-time biographer paula broadwell. some congressional leaders saying they should have been alerted earlier in concerns of a breach of national security. >> we received no advance notice. it was like a lightning bolt. the way i found out, i came back to washington thursday night. friday morning, the staff director told me there were a number of calls from press about this. i mean, this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think we should have been told. >> the retired four-star general released a statement on friday announcing his resignation, saying, quote, after being married for over 37 years, i showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair. such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours. with us for this morning's panel, richard socarides, a former senior adviser to president clinton, and writer with thenewyorker.com. and oliver mcgee, republican strategist and author of "jumping the aisle" who joins us from wash
citing an extramarital affair with his one-time biographer paula broadwell. some congressional leaders saying they should have been alerted earlier in concerns of a breach of national security. >> we received no advance notice. it was like a lightning bolt. the way i found out, i came back to washington thursday night. friday morning, the staff director told me there were a number of calls from press about this. i mean, this is something that could have had an effect on national security....
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we'll check back next week. >>> who is paula broadwell. coming up, we're learning more about the biographer. what she said the two had in common. >>> the puppeteer behind elmo faces serious allegations today. he's accused of having a relationship with with an underaged boy. >>> what might have caused a deadly explosion that leveled an i have never encountered such a burning sensation... until i had the shingles. it was like a red rash. like somebody had set a bag of hot charcoal on my neck. i had no idea it came from chickenpox. it's something you never want to encounter. for more of the inside story, visit shinglesinfo.com >>> and welcome back, everybody, at 4:30. i'm gjim handly. >> i'm pat lawson muse. police took a 19-year-old man in for questioning for the rockville campus of montgomery college shooting. >> no one was hurt and police did not recover any weapons. we're also told the campus was not put on lockdown. at this point, the investigation is just ongoing, we hear. news4's pat collins will have the latest at the top of the hour.
we'll check back next week. >>> who is paula broadwell. coming up, we're learning more about the biographer. what she said the two had in common. >>> the puppeteer behind elmo faces serious allegations today. he's accused of having a relationship with with an underaged boy. >>> what might have caused a deadly explosion that leveled an i have never encountered such a burning sensation... until i had the shingles. it was like a red rash. like somebody had set a bag of...